Ideas for countering trolls and spam

[chan] 411
May 9 22:53 [raw]

1. Raise PoW for address generation to 5-10 minutes on a high-end machine. Redesign PoW to defeat GPU speedup. 2. Make chan addresses "receive only." Disable sending from chan addresses and automatically block any messages sent from a chan address. Only messages sent to the chans from another address. 3. In keeping with the first two points, chan addresses would be BM-2c addresses and private and broadcast addresses would be BM-N addresses or BM-5 addresses.

[chan] bitmessage
May 9 23:18 [raw]

5. Remove all references to general chan from the bitmessage site, wiki, and fourms.

[chan] bitmessage
May 9 23:18 [raw]

4. Unsubscribe from general

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 02:10 [raw]

+1

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 02:10 [raw]

4. uninstall bitmessage

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 02:10 [raw]

+1

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 07:58 [raw]

>4. uninstall bitmessage Yes indeed. Don't try to censor BM by imposing your own values on it. BM needs to be free. If you don't like what has been posted then you can always just fuck right off.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 08:38 [raw]

Use pop3 inbox and learn thunderbird antispam.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 08:59 [raw]

> Don't try to censor BM by imposing your own values on it. Shall we just let you impose your lack of values instead?

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 08:59 [raw]

says the troll who has nothing genuine or sincere to say

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 09:04 [raw]

5. No indeed. The principle should be: You say what you want, I listen to what I want. Bitmessage does not work like that on chanels. For the moment it is not possible to listen to just a subset to the writers on channels. It could be remedied with one or several ideas 1. Keep the old channel types for those who like it as it is. 2.1 Add a channel type where only private keys can be used. 2.2 Make the creation of keys more expensive, so that it is impractical to create throw away keys 3. Subscribe to a channel and a set of addresses (whitelist) 4. Create a reputations system (not easy) so you can calculate your own personal blacklist according to your own specifications. 5. Create a channel type with a limited set of authors 6. Maintain and publish suggested blacklists. Automate the installation and uninstallation of entire blacklists 6.1 creat blacklists applied only to specific channels Do not censor Bitmessege, but create channels with various types and strictness of idiot filters.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 10:09 [raw]

More rules never solves the problem.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 10:17 [raw]

Ha ha! "More rules never solves the problem", says the guy who never learnt to eat with fork and knife or figured out what soap is good for.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 10:25 [raw]

Soap is good for cleaning Jewish lampshades.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 11:49 [raw]

I may not have nothing genuine or sincere to say, but others have, and they should be allowed to say it. BM needs to be free of all censorship.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 12:14 [raw]

rm -rf /bitmessage

BM-NBNf1bT2S7NdVPuGtXe1zKt4bhxUppWA
May 10 13:21 [raw]

2.1 and 2.2 are points I've thought of aswell. Using the channel addresses to post from is generally hailed as "absolutely necessary for anonymity", but we see what we get with that by looking at the general channel. It doesn't matter if people can post completely anonymously if anything of any value is drowned in shit. For any halfway sane person, using private keys to post from will work well enough while still preserving their pseudonymity. Optionally, one could implement addresses that can ONLY be posted from, but not written to, as in, dedicated channel usage addresses. This could prevent people getting spammed directly when posting to channels.

BM-NBKJwJc2ZazVojpU7fCreWbYJUmCJDNE
May 10 16:47 [raw]

Hello, has anyone experimented with the difficulty settings on addresses? For 1.1 Private addresses, total difficulty 1.2 Private addresses, small message difficulty 2.1 Channel addresses, total difficulty 2.2 Channel addresses, small message difficulty 3.1 Broadcasts, total difficulty 3.2 Broadcasts, small message diffilculty What were the results? If it has not been tested, should we give it a try? Could someone wise enlighten me, where is the difficulty encoded? Peter Black

BM-NBNf1bT2S7NdVPuGtXe1zKt4bhxUppWA
May 10 16:58 [raw]

The difficulty setting is only for receiving on your own addresses. it doesn't work for channels, and broadcast can't work, because the difficulty is only for RECEIVING, but in broadcasts you're sending.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 19:19 [raw]

Moar rules!

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 19:20 [raw]

I think you mean: Moor rules never solves the problem. but Christian rules always solves the problem.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 19:45 [raw]

I have. You have to raise difficulty for short messges too. It works. Basically you can double or triple or qudruple the required PoW for someone to send you a message, or you could have a chan where everyone agrees to raise their PoW, making spamming a little harder. You could raise PoW to 30x, but you'll only be able to send a few messages per hour that way, or if it is long messages you might only be able to send a few messages per day, so you would need to leave Bitmessage running.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 19:50 [raw]

> one could implement addresses that can ONLY be posted from, but not written to 6. Private addresses that can only be used to send, not to receive, for posting to chans, so sender can't get spammed.

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 20:11 [raw]

It looks a bit like this proposal by Peter Black: Explanation Here are two separate ideas combines: 1. a modified type of channel, I call it Publication It is essentially an address with the role of private key and public key revesed. Of this follows 1.1 the message is not particularily secret (depends on how widely the public key is known), perhaps widely distributed - to those interested, or to a small group 1.2 the message is authenticated the private key is ideally known to one person (or a small group) It is a bad idea to distribute a private key widely and a Publication with only one author gets very thin, so instead combine it with the other idea: 2. modified broadcast, I call it Hierarchy. Instead of copying incoming messages as in standard Broadcast to subscribers: 2.1 Listen to a set of other Publications (can be seen as sections of a newspaper, individual authors, contributor, subpublication) 2.2 retransmit the messages encrypted with the private key of a an address (Publication as per 1.) This permits several authenticated contributors to a Publication, a top level manager to cut out a rotten branch of a Publication by simply not listening to it, a consumer to choose any section of a publication he wants to listen to. ------------------------------------------------------ I'm sorry, I can't visualize the cryptographic flowchart of this setup. Perhaps someone smarter can help? Is this essentially a "feed curation" feature built around the existing broadcast system? ------------------------------------------------------ Purpose Spam control Publication style hierarchial structure of departments or contributors Description A channel of type Publication provides 1. messages encrypted using the private key of the address 2. readers decrypt messages using the public key of the address Thus only an owner of the private key can contribute to a Publication channel. A hieracrcy can be achieved by adding subchannes to listen to and repeat the messages (combining a filtered broadcast and channel properties). Features A subscriber can decide to read only a subcategory of a publication. A node in the heararchy can easily drop a badly behaving subnode by simply deleting it's address from the list of listening addresses. .------------------------------------------. | Publication | | | '------------------------------------------' ^ ^ ^ / / \ / / \ .------------. .-------------. .-------------. | Department | | Contributor | | Contributor | | News | | Paul | | Peter |<----------------. '------------' '-------------' '-------------' | ^ ^ ^ ^ | / | / \ | / | / \ | .---------------. .-----------. .-------------. .-------------. .-------------. | News | | News | | Contributor | | Contributor | | Contributor | | Latin America | | Australia | | Mick | | Mack | | Muck | '---------------' '-----------' '-------------' '-------------' '-------------' Peter Black

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 22:24 [raw]

5. Form a government agency to regulate it!

[chan] bitmessage
May 10 22:35 [raw]

This is a good idea but only if I am elected brave leader for life.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 04:08 [raw]

> Don't try to censor BM by imposing your own values on it. The only censorship taking place is people who like pedo porn and shit pics are censoring the rest of us with their prurience. Banning prurient and anti-social, sick, dangerous speech is not censorship. It's self-defense. But you would rather have us defenseless and at the mercy of baby rapers. You cry about people wanting to censor child abuse and scat porn, but you don't mind if their child abuse and scat porn censors the rest of us. Someone always imposes their values (or lack of values) in every situation. You have sided with the kiddie diddlers. That's your definition of freedom.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 04:33 [raw]

The horsemen, as disgusting as they may be, are your mine canaries. If a system is not safe enough for the horsemen, it's not safe to use, full stop. Be careful what you wish for.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 05:10 [raw]

> Be careful what you wish for. I wish for monsters to die. I wish for a world without liars, thieves, and creeps. I wish for a world where every man, woman, and child loves the whole of his neighborhood as much as he cares for himself, and not one bit less. I wish for a world where people seek what is beautiful, and praiseworthy, and kind, and spread that around, and don't cater to the appetites of the animal suit they wear, but instead bring the uniform into submission to law. It is possible, but I don't think this world is that world. There is another world somewhere that is like my wish, full of light and joy. Those with power in this world are blocking the gate to the other, and subjecting us to evil.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 05:25 [raw]

Its has a point, muh preciousssss...

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 07:07 [raw]

"Banning prurient and anti-social, sick, dangerous speech" And who decides what is "prurient and anti-social, sick, dangerous speech"? In my opinion, your idea matches this description and you should be banned not only from BM, but from Internet as w whole.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 07:08 [raw]

Either we have freedom of speech, or we don't. Freedom of speech means that people have the right to post messages that we don't agree with. If we don't have freedom of speech, then we have censorship.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 07:15 [raw]

"I wish for monsters to die. I wish for a world without liars, thieves, and creeps." Sorry, sir, you are on a wrong planet. Please turn around, fly back beyond Pluto, go back on intergalactic highway and fly away.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 07:28 [raw]

> And who decides what is "prurient and anti-social, sick, dangerous speech"? Nature and the creator of nature decides. But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet. 17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 07:28 [raw]

This is the marxist definition of freedom of speech. Any speech that undermines society and peace is "freedom" yet any speech that opposes criminals is "censorship."

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 07:53 [raw]

Child pornography is not "freedom of speech." It is venal criminal activity. Pictures of scat porn are not "freedom of speech." It is prurient criminal activity. You define any crime you want as "freedom of speech." My ancestors invented the concept of "freedom of speech" or "freedom of the press" and it is nothing like how you define it. "Freedom" does not mean the right to say or do anything. It means the right to do anything that does not impede the good peace and safety of society. The marxist view of freedom is the right to to anything that undermines and destroys culture, foments violence, and abuses the innocent. That's the freedom you stand for. If criminals are allowed to run amok in society there is no freedom or safety for the non-criminals. You can cry "freedom of speech" all you want. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not freedom--it is a crime. Raping little children is not freedom--it is a crime. Unchecked criminal activity is a complete "censorship" of the freedom of the victims of those crimes. Because you are evil, you can only see and approve of evil. Because you are evil, and you love darkness, this simple ray of light evades you.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 08:03 [raw]

"Pictures of scat porn are not "freedom of speech."" Interesting. These are not criminalized in my country. Suddenly I have more free speech than you. Now start thinking about it. Maybe you will be able to understand how subjective, variable and volatile are "criminal activvity" definitions. For example, age of consent in my country is 14. So I can legally have sex with 14 years old person. But in neighbour country age of consent is higher. So what is "criminal activity" there, it is legal in here. Such a funny situation.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 08:25 [raw]

You will have a hard time trying to prove existence of your tribal deity.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 08:48 [raw]

// INB4 facebook On reading your requirements below, I honestly think that a system like Diaspora or Mastodon may be more suitable for your communication needs. Bitmessage is not for everyone and may simply not be for you, and this is perfectly OK since it's not the only game in town. Shop around, find your tribe, be happy and productive on the system that best enables you to do so. https://joinmastodon.org/ https://diasporafoundation.org/ https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 11:26 [raw]

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[chan] bitmessage
May 12 11:41 [raw]

Any message, whatever the content, is allowed by freedom of speech. Just because YOU don't like the message doesn't give you the right to force your censorship on everyone else. However, you do have the right to delete messages that you object to. But any user has the right to post any message that they wish. This is as it should be. Feel free to leave Bitmessage any time you like if you don't like it.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 11:43 [raw]

The best solution would be to unsubscribe to any channel where there are messages that you don't approve of.

BM-NBNf1bT2S7NdVPuGtXe1zKt4bhxUppWA
May 12 12:07 [raw]

That becomes hard when all channels get flooded by shitposters, when private address usage is not enforced, which is the entire point.

BM-2cU3ubnYxFdiUNkhqpezH2cVBerh4uMXjQ
May 12 12:39 [raw]

This is somehow difficult, and also against the protocol idea. Maybe it's easy for you to use pseudo-mailing list.. you can also use the whitelist option to only allow to some addresses to send in the pseudo-mailing list and raise the PoW in your client I hope I didn't types sth wrong. also if someone can implement an easy way to for reviewing messages before broadcast it in the mailing list it will be nice :)

[chan3] bitmessage
May 12 12:39 [raw]

But otherwise you can get your private address flooded by shitposters.

BM-NBNf1bT2S7NdVPuGtXe1zKt4bhxUppWA
May 12 12:43 [raw]

That's why, in the other part of this thread, which is being ignored, there was the suggestion to have "write only" addresses, together with the "read only" channels, so that people could use a write-only address in channels, which can't receive messages.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 13:07 [raw]

> Don't try to censor BM by imposing your own values on it. Censorship on BM is literally impossible so what's the point of bringing it up repeatedly?

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 13:14 [raw]

Because it's better troll food.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 13:31 [raw]

Once again, I think the social properties that you are seeking are best found outside of Bitmessage, on systems like Facebook where you opt-in to view other people's feeds, and can create closed invite-only chat groups. You can slap an Axolotl-type protocol on top to keep your messages and group chats private, and Bob's your uncle. Bitmessage is a completely different animal; it's designed to keep you connected and protected even when the whole world is against you. This crucial property comes at a cost. The sooner you understand this, the less miserable you will be.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 13:59 [raw]

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May 12 14:00 [raw]

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May 12 14:05 [raw]

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May 12 14:09 [raw]

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May 12 14:15 [raw]

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May 12 14:23 [raw]

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May 12 14:56 [raw]

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May 12 14:57 [raw]

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May 12 15:00 [raw]

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[chan] bitmessage
May 12 15:03 [raw]

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[chan] bitmessage
May 12 15:13 [raw]

Вижу хохлятские тролли и сюда добрались.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 15:17 [raw]

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[chan] bitmessage
May 12 15:17 [raw]

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May 12 16:13 [raw]

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[chan] bitmessage
May 12 16:19 [raw]

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[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:03 [raw]

> This is somehow difficult, and also against the protocol idea. Then change the protocol idea.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:08 [raw]

They have been criminalized by all western nations for centuries. It is only since you dumbfuck millenials were born that the pedophiles took power and stopped enforcing the criminal statutes. You have no fucking sense of history or morality. You have no idea of the society that has been taken from you by the pedophile elite. Before the 1960s it was a federal crime to display sexual content on the airwaves. Before the 1920s any girl who got pregnant out of wedlock had her fate sealed an no upstanding man would ever touch her or marry her after that. It was considered a great shame to have sex out of wedlock and those few who did it were ostracized. This moral fiber of society protected the family unit which was the shield against the encroachment of government power. You think your worthless existence is the measuring stick by which to judge reality. But even this is a concept above your ability to comprehend. And the fact that you go straight to the age of sexual consent shows how reprobate you are. In western countries, for centuries, there was no "age of consent." In traditional law of the west, a man could not marry a young lady or touch her, or kiss her, or grope her, or date her, or even be alone with her, unless and until the father of the lady "gave her away" to the man in a public declaration that he would be allowing a man to court his daughter. Fathers understood that their children have hormones and they protected them from that very aspect of nature until they were sure the child was ready to take on the responsibility of adulthood and family. Before the baby-boomers and millenials were born, in most of the country it was impossible for a young lady to be alone with a man. The whole community were watchful and family, friends, neighbors, even police made sure that males and females were kept separated. We didn't need an age of consent. Just because a youth reaches a certain age does not mean you have a permission slip to fuck her. To even think in those terms is immoral, selfish, and hedonistic. You and your pedophile lawyer friends try to reduce this to "age of consent" showing your focus is animal in nature and has no spiritual dimension at all. You are a dumb fuck who has no idea what freedom is. Why? Because you are a slave to corruption.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:08 [raw]

Child pornography is not "freedom of speech." It is venal criminal activity. Pictures of scat porn are not "freedom of speech." It is prurient criminal activity. You define any crime you want as "freedom of speech." My ancestors invented the concept of "freedom of speech" or "freedom of the press" and it is nothing like how you define it. "Freedom" does not mean the right to say or do anything. It means the right to do anything that does not impede the good peace and safety of society. The marxist view of freedom is the right to to anything that undermines and destroys culture, foments violence, and abuses the innocent. That's the freedom you stand for. If criminals are allowed to run amok in society there is no freedom or safety for the non-criminals. You can cry "freedom of speech" all you want. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not freedom--it is a crime. Raping little children is not freedom--it is a crime. Unchecked criminal activity is a complete "censorship" of the freedom of the victims of those crimes. Because you are evil, you can only see and approve of evil. Because you are evil, and you love darkness, this simple ray of light evades you.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:08 [raw]

eat shit and die, baby raper

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:17 [raw]

Three of us suggested different versions of this same idea. Run with it.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:17 [raw]

That's why three of us suggested additional address version that allows posting only, and cannot receive messages.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:17 [raw]

You can't prove the existence of God to reprobates who have chosen to hate Him and deny Him.

[chan] bitmessage
May 12 17:56 [raw]

No worries, post your PR number here and I'll give feedback inline.

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May 12 18:11 [raw]

Re 1.: Good idea. But if you look at the HashCash spec and original intention you will see that hardcoding a POW difficultily as it is done in BM is the wronge approach generally. Every receiver should have the technical possibility to set 'how much' prove of work is sufficient to be trustful. That depends on the use-case, popularity etc. of the receiving address. Just imagige a private chan that has never been published. It is just for you and your friends. There you will never have a spam issue and spammers will never try to target it. So increasing the POW generally is not the way to go. Individually is better - eg. you can set a high required POW for everything in the 'general' chan. AAMOF everyone who sends a message to such an widly public and important list, should be able to proof a high amount of work. Re 2.: Good idea, but by specification not enforcable. What you can do is blacklist the chan address as sender. An important sep before you go that way: teach and educate people not to use the chan address as sender (possibly add a warning to the client). And most importantly stop using the chan address for sending by yourself. ... I suggest everytime you start an important topic like this, you could add "to lead as good example I will ignore all replies sent by the chan address." Re 3.: Again, this can't be done by protocol. You are free to add such a 'filter' to an existing client or create and publish your own client. Then you would have to convince people to use that client. Just a general remark: In private chans that use a PSK only shared with a trusted limited group of subscribers, using the chan address for sending can be a demanded feature. For example to establish someting like secret voting or to prevent any kind of pre-justice against certains streams and opinions in that group.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 05:26 [raw]

anus

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 05:47 [raw]

anu

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 06:54 [raw]

The effeminate homosexuals take a dislike to certain messages, so they have a hissy fit and demand that the source code of Bitmessage be changed to make it more difficult or impossible to post messages for those without an expensive high powered computer.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 07:16 [raw]

It's self defense: Pictures of the victims of the right to do morality. So what is So what is not criminalized by the only censorship. The you and anti social, sick, dangerous speech, means that you think your pedophile elite. Freedom of consent. Just because you and abuses the whole community were born, that he would ever touch her, fate sealed an no idea of the it was a man to you want: as freedom of scat porn and hedonistic. These are evil. But even this is criminal activity. It is venal criminal statutes; it is animal in traditional western nations for a great shame to the man to censor child pornography is not criminalized by all western nations for example (age of sexual content on it is animal in western nations for centuries). Because you want; as freedom of consent in here. Yelling fire in every situation.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 07:17 [raw]

Make chan addresses or BM addresses would be free. It; is not freedom of those crimes: amok in society there is not impede the mercy of the victims of freedom of the no freedom or freedom of speech. Someone always just because you define any crime you. You are evil, you is a complete censorship: of speech. Yelling fire in society; there is allowed to: post any messages that does not freedom it. That's the right to be free to delete do anything that they wish. It's self defense: press freedom of scat porn are evil (and safety of speech is no freedom it: is prurient criminal activity).

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 07:19 [raw]

In private and automatically block any kind of the chan that way. For address; for everything in that hardcoding a trusted limited group. AAMOF everyone who sends a trusted limited group of the HashCash spec and original intention you And your friends. AAMOF everyone who sends a general chan. Raise POW difficultily as Good idea, but if you look at the POW generally is not to be have the chans that use the chan address. What you could add a private and spammers will see that use a private and most importantly stop using the HashCash chan address.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 07:27 [raw]

+1

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May 13 09:19 [raw]

And it seems we must be onto something, given just how much this thread is being trashed. This intensity of trash on a single thread rarely happens, only when it goes directly against spammers.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 09:23 [raw]

Hello. I am a spammer. And I am just having fun here. I see nothing dangerous for my activity in your bad-designed half-baked pseudosolutions. So please do continue your fun and I will continue mine. Regards, The Troll AKA spammer.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 16:20 [raw]

Let's get this straight. You post pictures of child porn and human feces and humans shitting. You call those who object "effeminate homosexuals." You are worse than a faggot. You are a monster.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 16:55 [raw]

> Suddenly I have more free speech than you. No. What you have is a faggot government that fails to protect society from evil perverts. > how subjective, variable and volatile are "criminal activvity" definitions. Child rape is a crime. It is not "subjective" definition. It is a crime against nature and a crime against families and the good peace and order of society. Most victims of pedophiles are permanently scarred and made dysfunctional for life from the experience. Only a vile reprobate deserving death would dare violate a child. > So I can legally have sex with 14 years old person If you had sex with my 14 or 16 year old daughters, a shotgun in your mouth would show you just how legal it is.

[chan] bitmessage
May 13 17:17 [raw]

To celebrate your opinion I will order two 14-year old prostitutes tonight. Where to send photos?

[chan] bitmessage
May 14 00:09 [raw]

penis

[chan] bitmessage
May 14 07:14 [raw]

>You post pictures of child porn and human feces and humans shitting. No, but I agree and approve of this. >You call those who object "effeminate homosexuals." Yes, I do.

[chan] bitmessage
May 14 09:54 [raw]

It is not funny or cute to troll about such things. Even though you are not serious, just trolling about it is vile, too.

[chan] bitmessage
May 14 09:54 [raw]

tips@fbi.gov They'll appreciate your contribution.

[chan] bitmessage
May 14 09:55 [raw]

NSA here. No need to send the photos. We'll have copies of them within a few seconds from the time you shoot. Since we don't do domestic law enforcement we will not be coming to arrest you. But nothing is preventing us from sharing the photos with your employer and local law enforcement. We think they may appreciate the gesture. Don't bother removing exif data from the photos. Geotags and device serial numbers are specially encoded into the pixelation and the color and transparency layers. Even if you resize the images the serial number will still be embedded in the photos.

BM-2cUM94Pq2jriryDt87Z3aTJL77Wg6Q1FBm
May 14 10:51 [raw]

Case closed. You're in agreement with pedophiles and scat humpers.

[chan] bitmessage
May 14 16:21 [raw]

You seem to be severely confused between "protection" and "granting you to shit in everyone's face as much as you want".

[chan] bitmessage
May 15 00:51 [raw]

false dilemma. the ability to moderate and curate is not only possible, bit necessary--otherwise you would not be able to tell someone else that they can't say something, which would be a restriction of a freedom. the term itself is a self-contradicting heaping mess with no absolutes, just ad hoc trial and error applied over the ages. anyone who claims otherwise and tells you there is an 'obvious solution' is categorically wrong and is seeking only to stifle meaningful discussion.

[chan] bitmessage
May 15 00:58 [raw]

You can't say that.

[chan] privacy
May 15 04:50 [raw]

> to tell someone else that they can't say something, which would be a restriction of a freedom. Your definition of freedom is juvenile. "I want to ass-rape your wife. Move aside so I can exercise even more freedom by raping your wife." { sound of pervert's nose breaking, boots stomping his head, ribs cracking from soccer kicks, screams, whimpers, gurgling on blood, sirens, EKG machine beeping } Freedom restricted, mother-fucker. Your idea that a restriction on criminal speech is a "restriction of freedom" is morally bankrupt. If you speak in favor of harming the innocent then may Bubba restrict the fuck out of your "freedom." You'd probably call that "censorship."

[chan] bitmessage
May 15 07:24 [raw]

> Your idea that a restriction on criminal speech is a "restriction of freedom" is morally bankrupt. And yet here you are, freely polluting a technical discussion channel with low-effort, off-topic personal opinion and threats. And here I am once again, reminding you that posting content that is outside the topic of a channel is a waste of your, and everyone else's time. You are casting your message to the wrong audience, in the wrong context, using the wrong language. Your message DOES NOT DECODE the way it was intended. It's noise rather than signal. As far as the technical discussion goes, however, I think that even in this case, the system does work as designed, for you, me, and all the other network members. You just need to find the right channel and the right group of people to start a meaningful conversation on the topics that concern you; chan/bitmessage is clearly not the best place for that, and will never be.

[chan] asdfasdfqwser
May 15 08:16 [raw]

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May 18 12:54 [raw]

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[chan] bitmessage
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